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Posted: Jan 14, 2019 - 10:50 am


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Ummmm,"Clean up in aisle 2,,,clean up in aisle 2."
Joking aside,glad everybody safe.

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Posted: Jan 14, 2019 - 10:55 am


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QUOTE (austinfish @ Jan 14, 2019 - 10:32 am)
Ice expand during very cold temperature and find space to crack.
Should we all drill extra few holes around us if ice wants to find space to expand than it will open up the crack from the holes you drill outside your hut to crack before it open crack inside the holes in your huts. Is it make sense?

Water expands when it freezes, but this is mostly just vertical expansion, it doesnt really cause pressure cracks. Once it turns solid, it behaves like a solid does.

So ice actually contracts as it gets colder, and expands as it gets warmer.
During very cold temperatures ice will crack and shrink, creating open water along the crack.
When it cracks during a warmer period, it will push up against the crack, creating ridges.


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Posted: Jan 14, 2019 - 10:55 am


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That is my biggest fear of ice fishing. Ice opening up under your hut with your anchors in would make it very difficult to get out if went for a plunge.

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Posted: Jan 14, 2019 - 12:50 pm


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QUOTE (GrandRiverWill @ Jan 14, 2019 - 10:55 am)
That is my biggest fear of ice fishing. Ice opening up under your hut with your anchors in would make it very difficult to get out if went for a plunge.

As another poster mentioned above, have a pocket knife with you at all times (in your floater suit's pocket, for example).

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Sherlockbonez
Posted: Jan 14, 2019 - 01:48 pm


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I clip a mora on my floater bib.

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QUOTE (Sherlockbonez @ Jan 14, 2019 - 01:48 pm)
I clip a mora on my floater bib.

That's why a Shappell ice hut is so nice - no anchors needed, so just unzip the door, step out, and pull it away!

http://shappell.com/images/150_DX3000_Interior_07_400.jpg

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Posted: Jan 14, 2019 - 02:21 pm


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QUOTE (Stocco @ Jan 14, 2019 - 01:53 pm)
QUOTE (Sherlockbonez @ Jan 14, 2019 - 01:48 pm)
I clip a mora on my floater bib.

That's why a Shappell ice hut is so nice - no anchors needed, so just unzip the door, step out, and pull it away!

http://shappell.com/images/150_DX3000_Interior_07_400.jpg

All huts need to be anchored in winds. Once you step out empty and with 25 km plus winds mother nature takes over.

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Posted: Jan 14, 2019 - 02:23 pm


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This is just crazy.
Lucky that crack opened up on the right side of the hut.
How long did it take between the hairline crack and opening up 3 feet?

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Posted: Jan 14, 2019 - 02:52 pm


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That's insane, don't show the better half

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Posted: Jan 14, 2019 - 02:57 pm


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QUOTE (nocod @ Jan 14, 2019 - 03:52 pm)
That's insane, don't show the better half

Yup better do the dirty laundry himself.!!

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Posted: Jan 14, 2019 - 03:01 pm


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QUOTE (Lazinator @ Jan 14, 2019 - 11:55 am)
QUOTE (austinfish @ Jan 14, 2019 - 10:32 am)
Ice expand during very cold temperature and find space to crack.
Should we all drill extra few holes around us if ice wants to find space to expand than it will open up the crack from the holes you drill outside your hut to crack before it open crack inside the holes in your huts. Is it make sense?

Water expands when it freezes, but this is mostly just vertical expansion, it doesnt really cause pressure cracks. Once it turns solid, it behaves like a solid does.

So ice actually contracts as it gets colder, and expands as it gets warmer.
During very cold temperatures ice will crack and shrink, creating open water along the crack.
When it cracks during a warmer period, it will push up against the crack, creating ridges.

I have gone out from Oro in the AM and needed to jump across a shoreline crack. Returning in the PM we needed to lift our to bogs over a ridge a couple of ft high---expanded in the midday sun.

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Posted: Jan 15, 2019 - 05:19 pm


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My buddy and I were planning on putting our hut out there on Sunday. We will give it an extra week.

Thanks very much for your post and very glad to hear you stayed dry!

Cheers,

AA

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Posted: Jan 15, 2019 - 06:12 pm


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“QUOTE (Lazinator @ Jan 14, 2019 - 11:55 am)
QUOTE (austinfish @ Jan 14, 2019 - 10:32 am)
Ice expand during very cold temperature and find space to crack.
Should we all drill extra few holes around us if ice wants to find space to expand than it will open up the crack from the holes you drill outside your hut to crack before it open crack inside the holes in your huts. Is it make sense?

Water expands when it freezes, but this is mostly just vertical expansion, it doesnt really cause pressure cracks. Once it turns solid, it behaves like a solid does.

So ice actually contracts as it gets colder, and expands as it gets warmer.
During very cold temperatures ice will crack and shrink, creating open water along the crack.
When it cracks during a warmer period, it will push up against the crack, creating ridges.“


I almost had to laugh reading this. Ice never ever shrinks or acts like a solid.

Ice continues to grow until a uniform structured molecule is formed. It then remains constant.

The site below explains better. Amazing what kind of science people have learned in grade nine science class. Our education system must be failing.

https://www.quora.com/Does-ice-continue-to-...low-0-degrees-C

A likely cause to that crack was a shift in ice due to current or wind. The entire ice body shifted causing a crack to open.

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Posted: Jan 15, 2019 - 06:18 pm


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How about instead of science lessons( which I believe in btw). We just agree Mother Nature has more unpredictable power than we know and we should always give her a wide berth! Sometimes ice grows, sometimes she recedes. Just don’t be on the wrong side.

Dave

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Posted: Jan 15, 2019 - 06:57 pm


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QUOTE (Fishin fan @ Jan 15, 2019 - 06:18 pm)
How about instead of science lessons( which I believe in btw). We just agree Mother Nature has more unpredictable power than we know and we should always give her a wide berth! Sometimes ice grows, sometimes she recedes. Just don’t be on the wrong side.

Dave


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