WARNING 30th sdrd kemp, Ice break off

Agreed Fishin.

I didn’t want to come off poorly but missinformation is the way people grow their ignorance and make mistakes.

Paying attention to the wind and knowing prevailing currents is important when open water is still present during early ice.

Good thing you didn't laugh, would make you feel even sillier now.
Your own article states that ice neither expands nor contracts....... below -35C, small but important detail.
Have a read http://files.townlife.com/public/uploads/d..._Jan_7_2017.pdf

Lol Lazinator.

You just restated what I said.

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Ice continues to grow until a uniform structured molecule is formed. It then remains constant. ”

So minus 35 is the temperature where it remains constant as a uniform molecule is formed. 👍🏻

What I said does not mean what you think it means.
In case it's still confusing, ice dos contract and expand as it's temperature changes.

The link that Disco posted talks about the formation of ice. Once formed, ice expands and contracts like every other solid.

Yamaha,
Could you please recall what wind direction and speed was on that day? Also what was general direction of the crack?

Crack was running east/west heading from the main lake into the bay, wind was blowing from the west into the bay, as for speed I have no clue. it was in no way a windy say though

Lazinator #####

In no way did he say it doesn't expand or contract while temp rises and drops during ice formation.

This post has been edited by ThorahGuy on Jan 16, 2019 - 01:31 pm

hey Lazinator, i understood what you were saying and that is what i understand of ice during heat and chill cycles and agree ice mostly expands vertically due to the forces horizontally during formation.

Glad you guys made it out safe. I was out fishing on the 14th by myself. Ice was really talking that day, it was tough to get comfortable, every couple minutes I found myself peaking out of the hut to make sure I wasn't in danger. One long rumble got the guys talking and looking around.

Are you referring to this post where he said

"I almost had to laugh reading this. Ice never ever shrinks or acts like a solid.

Ice continues to grow until a uniform structured molecule is formed. It then remains constant."

?

Ok, he did not explicitly say it does not expand, he implied it by saying ice never ever acts like a solid, which it does.
But he sure as hell explicitly said it does not shrink, which of course it also does.

Ice only appears to shrink, or you just think it shrinks.

Ice melts into water as the temperature rises - it changes form, it doesn't "shrink" in the way you are thinking - sure it becomes smaller, because its melting.

More of an illusion than anything since it's going back into liquid state - so ask yourself if the water running off the ice means it is "shrinking" or its changing form - technically, not the same thing at the end of the day.

When ice becomes ice and expands it is not changing form (after it's no longer water), it's simply expanding but remaining in the same form, it's still ice - the opposite is true when it melts.

See what I am getting at?

Also, it is clear that ice does NOT act like a solid - in the fact that solids typically do NOT expand when made colder they actually shrink - just do a bit of research on that - it's the reason ice floats and the reason the lake cycles oxygen as it reaches 4 degrees celcius, that's when it starts expanding, even as a liquid.

Ever heard "freeze the balls off a brass monkey"? That is an old timey expression, meaning once the METAL (a solid) got to cold (and contracted) the balls came off - here's a little excerpt for you:

The story goes that cannonballs used to be stored aboard ship in piles, on a brass frame or tray called a 'monkey'. In very cold weather the brass would contract, spilling the cannonballs: hence very cold weather is 'cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey'.

THAT is the bizarre thing.

This is just physics. Nothing spooky about it.

What I cannot confirm is that it stops at -35 degrees - but hey, it certainly could be possible lol

Well for those that believe ice acts like a solid so be it.

The world is also flat right. LMAO.

You are completely wrong.

Found this article for you, it explains it fairly thoroughly, give it a careful read
https://files.dnr.state.mn.us/waters/waterm...s/ice_power.pdf

Also, the linear thermal expansion coefficient of ice is 2.5 times greater than that of brass, so if these cannon balls were stored on an ice frame, they would fall off sooner.